Category: ethnographic

  • LA Holy City Convention, October 2005

    Approximately 8,000 koreans gathered in Crenshaw Christian Center Faith Dome (scroll left) in an event called LA Holy City Convention 2005 (성시화 대회) during October 7-9 under the catchphrases “Whole Church, Whole Gospel, Whole LA!”, “Love Jesus Love LA!” etc. The dome’s capacity is 15,000, which I heard was the original aim of the convention.

    It’s basically an evangelization drive, from how people are portraying it. It was three days of regular worship in korean language, and from what I see in their schedule, the special gatherings for pastors and college students, respectively, have seminar/workshop components on past work and what actions to actually take. I only went to their Friday worship, which was the first night.

    Participants had to sign up beforehand, and apparently there was an admissions fee – which apparently was paid for by our church for the five of us who went there. Staff youth were checking each individual for passes at the entrance of the dome and giving out the schedule, a glossy paper 27-page introduction to the purpose of the drive and schedule for the 3 days. The friday worship overlapped with the young adults (청년) worship, so that’s the group that went.

    In a video presentation, sponsoring parties introduced basic concepts and past work under a similar concept. Strangely, 이명박’s giving Seoul to God was not mentioned as part of the overarching movement of 성시화 (did his work also get a bad reception in the christian community?), but 춘천 (1974? was that right?) and 포항 in 2004 were presented as cases of successful 성시화 evangelization drives. The historic model was Calvin’s mayoral ruling in Genova.

    In discussing the work of 성시화 in 포항, presenters used the word “공장 노동자”. Usually 박정희 supporters prefer the term 근로자, “hard worker”, so that was strange. They also showed some 달동네 scenes from the city, I don’t know what the purpose of that may have been.

    The rationale for the need of such a drive was the spread of “crime”, “tatoos” and “drugs” in the community. Presenters emphasized that such strongholds of christianity as LA, which produced the great envangelizers Billy Graham and Bill Wright (CCC), could not cross arms and sit back when there was a need for God.

    Someone else also said that the US was the new Rome of the world, and that Rome was the center of classic meditarranean multiculturalism, peoples from many races and lands coming together, which was won over by christians and the fact of Rome as an imperial power became an advantage for christianity. Since there is an english hegemony in the world, where people are pushed to learn it as a matter of remains of colonialism, economic survival, or social arribismo, koreans in LA were in a comfortable position to make use of that position and start evangelizing. There was also mention of doing media work with newspapers.

    There was a mention of praying for that korean congressman who was involved in the 폭탄주 사건. Little Arnold and Antonio Villaraigoza were present in the worship, and even some black folks, and they were given headphones by the event staff. Generally it was not very accessible for english speakers, though.

    One way of introducing the relevance of this to the context of LA was that LA was “Los Angels” and that it meant to be the city of angels -_- which historically incorrect. The main noun in the original city name was “pueblo” (village) – “Village of Our Lady the Queen of Angels at the Porciúncula River”.

    All income generated during the convention was to be spent in future evangelizing work, as well as establishment of church-sponsored scholarships for latino and black students.

    During the worship, this was how people were arranged. Generally, there was a lack of attendants in churches located in white suburbia.

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  • Interview 3: October 22

    October 29, 2004
    Interview 3: October 22
    Ethnographic Interviewing
    Yongho Kim

    Y: I was trying to get all the poeple you had mentioned into some sort of taxonomy.
    D: one taxonomy?
    Y: but maybe, maybe just get a little vendor..
    D: I mean, you can make, can make a taxonomy of vendors. (uhu) I can partly do that. Okay.. [sigh] Ah.. okay… there’s this.. something you could do is [sigh] these are kinds of members. There’s also the question, these, these people hold positions. They are not officers. At least I don’t think they are called officers. I would tend to move this one.. let’s get rid of these guys.. you use a word like regular.. regular members down there. Uh, and then just move the whole thing up this line. So, these are kinds of members but they do have specific designations – ride captains, COYs,
    Y: I was just thinking that.. these should be on the second level because there are district editors, and there’s district COYs, and there’s the national
    D: okay we have to.. [laugh] if, if we start doing the district, then you’re gonna have a whole another list. So that’s why you need to define what you have. Kinds of… I would say kinds of chapter members, or something like that. In other words, you are.. you can make it so big that you can’t imagine it. You can have other kinds of COYs, yeah, there are chapter COYs, district COYs, region COYs and the national COY. It used what they be. There are also ambassadors.. [laugh] forgot ambassadors. (oh ok) but they don’t occur at this level. you have district embassadors.. you have also..
    Y: that’s why I was thinkin of the levels would be more like.. attributes of these people
    D: yeah. if you cut it off in chapter, what you are saying is “I am adding an attribute to cut it down to one area” ok, and that’s what you would be doing. (I see) The.. and that’s what you should do. Because otherwise it will just get too.. you won’t be doing one thing at a time. There are.. I just wrote them down. [on the taxonomy] there are senior directors, [silence] see, uh, C.D. or Chapter directors are really the term for that, chapter director, and chapter.. I’ll just write them down dhapter director, you won’t get an assistant to that, nor any of these yo know.. you don’t get any of those there but you get your chapter directors. I don’t think there are any ambassadors at this level. So that’s just to add one thing. Uh, you know there are other kinds of officers. So senior, senior we just go right in – I’ll put him in here.Y: Maybe we could put in.. like what they are doing at the chapter level and what offices there are.. D: Okay this is chapter level. (uhuh) [marks chapter] Okay,..district (you coudl just tell me I could record it) ok, the district would be you can have a district director, a DD, [laugh] that’s an alternate way of saying it. I put a District Director and put DD in parenthesis. Just an alternate way of referring to the same thing. Okay, there’s a district director, there can be a senior district director. There’s a district trainer, and there can be a senior district trainer. There is a.. district educator, and there can be a senior district educator. There is a district COY, and i’m not sure if I’m dealing with officers now.. there normally, this is called the “state staff” [giggle] that’s what it’s called (state staff). yeah. and uhh, you know talk.. I don’t know if I’d use the term officers there or not, that’s a good question. But the “state” staff” is a way you would list that. There is a.. God, can’t do it all. Umm… a district editor (uhuh,) there is… any other formal officers.. the trainer, educator, uh there can be a district embassador.. okay.
    Y: Is the district director the only person who has some alternate name?
    D: Usually because you start getting into assistant district director, did I give you that? (No) I’m not sure if we have an assistant district educator.. district educator.. we might. I bet it’s possible to have one, so I’m just gonna give you what’s possible. Alright. You have a senior district director, you don’t have a district director too. But those are two offices and one.
    Y: so.. if you have two a district director you don’t have a senior district director (no) you have either one
    D: But that’s the other attribute of these terms. That’s the other term. If you say “what could you have”, these are what you could have. (I see, I see) Okay.. so it might be that all of them.. embassadors.. but all of hte other ones possibly might have an embassador. Just trying to think of anything else.. what are the reasons.. well, that’s an attribute. One of the reasons you have is so that you can move up in the position, but.. ok. Umm.. there is something called “the journal staff” [laugh] but that’s not under the state staff. (uhuh) and on that the journal stuff is the editor, the assistant editor, the area editor, – there are several – so it should be “Area editors”. Umm.. the.. advertising coordinator (uhuh) the uh… membership coordinator, let’s see anybody else..[silence] that’s all.. oh the, did I give you an assistant editor and yes I did.. (assistant editor) yeah, I don’t have one. (oh you don’t have one?) no, no, I just don’t have an office for it. Kind of reminds of cultures, where there are officers but there aren’t necessarily people. [in it] There can be people, and some of them holds, if, if, you know, someone were to assasinate the president of the united states, the office is still there, but nobody is holding it for a minute, until the vicepresident was sworn in. So, these are offices, these are positions, and often it is hard for students to get the idea that individuals are that. Well, there is a senior district director, but there isn’t an “office” called that, too. And when there is no one filling it, it’s still an office and we still know that it exists. They just invented that one about five years ago. Cuz uhm.. people were staying on and they needed a way to to put a term to it, so if they did it over the 2year term they were seniors. (oh, ok) those are attributes. Those are attributes.
    Y: Umm, so could you tell me about the chapter level? WHat officers would there be? (Oh I did) oh, that was about the district lelvel?
    D: I just did the district level (uhuh) ok? umm I can’t do the district.. I am not sure about the region and the national. There are some offices I don’t know. (Oh, what you read here is the chapter) that’s the chapter. Oh, ok. Could you tell me about.. what these chapter officers

  • Interview 2: October 20

    October 20, 2004
    Interview 2
    Ethnographic Interviewing
    Yongho Kim

    Y: and have had a hard time listening to it. [laugh]
    D: you can’t hear it?
    Y: nope, well I could hear it. I just like, specially folk terms, I couldn’t because I didn’t know, but the notes helped me a lot
    D: ok, I you should hear really clearly.. where’s that mic? (it’s there) ok, we’ll do that. can we hear you? [laugh] (I’ll remember mine) ok.
    Y: so, umm, could you tell me about what happens on Friday rallies?
    D: ok, what we started on.. I get there on Thursday? Well, it depends on what’s been set up and we’re doing the tri-state rally, basically. So starting from 9 to 5, the vendors, “vendor” [laugh] you justy ask me, if you don’t know the word, you can stop, that’s what cI would do in India when I couldn’t hear because I wouldn’t know the words there. There’s the people selling the stuff there. Ok? They, open up so some.. actually, before you do anything, get up and you often go to breakfast either at the motel, or some place close and you look for people to go to bhreakfast. And I’m forever looking for people I know and then we go up for breakfast together. Or you just go and see, you go with somebody yoy know. It’s p[rettyu socialble. And, uh, eat your breakfast and find out what they are doing. After getting dressed, of course, and it’s figure out what the day is gonna be like, and it’s usually fairly hot, we all of us would put on shirts. That usually t-shirts or variouys kinds of shirts. Each chapter, many chaptrers have their own shirt, with their chapter logo on it. I have one. Then you get a t-shirt on every rally, and they make a special rally for that rally. And it has the date, and place, and it has the design on it, and so, like I’ve been going to ralluies in 1979. so I usually put on really old ones, to show’em how long I’ve been… [laugh] a member. But I’ll put one of those on.. I’ll puit on vests.. you know what a vest is, it’s a vest. (Is it like a jacket?) well, no sleeves, though, it’s just and they are either made out of leather or denim like the blue jeans, an those, you have a big back batch and what state you are and what chapter you are, and if you hold office, like I’m the district editor, so I have a district editor patch on the back mine, most people have a map of the united states somewhere on their vests with the s5tates they’ve ridden to, filled-in, [laugh] you know, you color them in, some peope have a Minnesota map, with all the counties.. that they have been to in there, on the front, there is a… usually on the one side you have the national patch and on the other you have a chapter, you have a special chapter, they are called patches. And uh.. then there’s other things you have on there. You have pints from rallies, you get pins at rallis, as I told you before. You get hangers that go with pins and connect them on the bottom. I’ll show you those later so you can see. Anyway! A lot of people wear those around, I always wear a hat, as I’m losing my hair, and there’s a number of hats, but most of them are called motorcycle hats of various sorts. They’re Honda hats, gold wing road rider hats, and they are like baseball caps most of the time. But some people have, there really is a whole area of hats to personalize themselves, people will wear, I don’t even have names for some of the hats people where, but they, it’s usually a couple coming in and they both have the same, and they do everything the same, except their vests’ up, so the patches and pins are in the same place, and they wear either a t-shirt, you know, a t-shirt like I told you about, or they may wear various longer-sleeves shirts that match. Some people wear crazy pants, they are very brightly colored and there’s several kinds of that. And the common one is one that has red, white or red white and blue stripes on it like the American flag, very bright. And there are those.. umm.. and the women women wear often wear a special gold wing road rider jewelry little brime stones and the stuff on their vests things like that. I usually, it’s gonna be a hot day, and usually it’s just things like that. anyway, just gonna be a hot day, I don’t put a vest on, [ircg:052] [gist explanation that it was going to be too hot for clothes] but a lot of people still wear’em. Anyway, you go to breakfast and you see a lot of people, and then there’s a number of things you can do. There’s a self-guided ride, you can pick up at the registration table. There’s a sheet there that gives you a tour, a ride, it’s called a ride, to go out with places to go and how to go sort of route map. You can go by yourself, or you can get some other people. Most people go in groups, if they wanna do that. Sometimes, there’s something called a poker run. Yeah. Poker. And poker runs ARE Essentially the same thing they’re rides but they have “check points” and some volunteer from the association is at a check point, and you get a plain card out of it.. or a deck of cards. I don’t know I’ve never done this. But that’s basically what’s.. and.. you go.. you have to go to all these places to get your cards. And you have to pay to do this. You always have to pay a bit to raise money, and you pay to do this, and you go on the poker run, and you try to get the highest poker hand, I don’t play poker so I’m not even sure and there’s usually a price for the highest poker, the best poker hand, and the next best , and they would the top three hands. And then there would be a worst hand. There’s usually a price for that. and you know, you come back and you get your stuff. And you know who won that, and you hand in your stuff, you get money out of that. they divide the money of those paid in out, and usually about half of it is paid for prizes, and half Is kept by the organization. Because, one of the reasons you have a rally is to raise money for the organization. Ok, what else do we do?
    Y: you mentioned, you mentioned last time that some people had jewels in the united states maps, and this one..
    D: oh, that’s on the motorcycle. You put a map on the motorcycle. I don’t have one, but some people put it in the motorcycle same thing as younger vests, they glue little. Yeah, you just glue little glass jewels.
    Y: oh that also applies to the vests?
    D: no, for the vest, you use.. either a marking pen, color, or even.. I bought a little salad of fabric colors. You know, you can just paint them on there…
    Y: you kept mentioning that couples do this and couples do that. Is there a term for people who aren’t couples, or who are couples? ( who aren’t?) yeah. Actually, are couples members?
    D: Couples.. yeah, yeah they are. I mean, unless they haven’t joined yet. But.. the couple, the term couples is a big term. Most, most people who belong together. It’s something they do together. Unfortunately, my wife doesn’t really enjoy this much. She’s been to three rallies but she really doesn’t go for it for that much, since I am in the state staff, being district editor, I am really busy most of the time, I take photographs, and little things. So I wouldn’t have much time so she doesn’t go. So there’s.. this is my term, I talk about the “rogue males” [laugh] they’re.. they’re usually a group of men, whose wives are not there. And there’s few women who are not attached to anybody. Umm, they ride their own motorcycles and they come. There aren’t many, but there are a few. So couples by, you know, they.. I told you before, we chapters pick couples of the year. And it’s spelled C.O.Y. in capitals, COY they call that. (Does COY mean anything?) COY means, couple of the year. C.O.Y (So does the word mean anything?) No, the word is made up. It’s an acronym made of that to shorten it. Because Couple of the Year takes a long time to say, and so you say “does your chapter have a coy”, “yeah,” and “who’s the district coy, and “who’s the region coy”, this region, from our state, the region coy, the region is made up of about 7 states, region “E”, is where we belong to, so they were chosen “region coy” and they’ll go to the national rally next year and compete for “couple of the year” for the united states, actually for the whole organization. So, you’ll see. I met the national COY, they’re called this year they have showed up at our.. at our.. affair, and they’re pretty funny, how they show up for us, and they [laugh] ok, anyways, we’re still on Friday.. so..
    Y: so, so, …did the.. you said that the “rogue males” bring their own motorcycles
    D: yeah, I mean, most, most of the men. Virtually all of the men and ride..motorcycles. (Is it different for the couples?) Yeah, because.. maybe.. 85% to 90% of the women ride on the motorcycles with the men. (hmm) the Honda Gold wing is a big motorcycle and it has a place for 2 people to sit on it, and it’s plenty powerful, and that’s why there’s such an emphasis on couples, I suspect because it is a motorcycle made for 2 people. So way back in 1976, when it first came out, pretty soon.. couples were riding on this motorcycle, powerful enough to tour together. Recently more women, have been riding their own motorcycles with their husbands. Maybe 10 to 15% of them do now. And they also have been riding trikes. Trikes are motorcycles that have been converted to tricycles with two wheels, ever seen those around?
    Y: I think I’ve seen the one with four wheels.. (well, that’s a car.. [laigh]) they have four wheels..
    D: oh, those are off-road.. off-road coasters. No, but the motorcycles don’t come this way, but they are not at least 10 manufacturers that build trikes. And a lot of older people convert their motorcycles and call them “trikes” for short, tricycles, meaning three wheels, three wheelers, ok? And you know, they cost about $10,000 to do this. You spend a lot of money in this business. Women like this, because then they don’t have to worry about reaching the ground with their legs. A problem that short people and women have is that motorcycles are too tall, and it’s hard for them to reach the ground. And after taking a short women and short men, but more women are short, like that, and old people. I’ll have to consider it in a few years. My wife wants me to consider it now, to trike my bike outside so I don’t fall over [ smirk] the other thing you can do is to put a side-card on the bike. Quite a few people do that. I have a side-car on. Um… so! You wanna go back to Friday again? (sure, let’s go back to Friday) something else you can do is to go to seminars. Seminars start Friday morning, and I don’t know if we have talked about seminars.
    Y: A little bit, you told me the kinds.. that there are seminars in safety, and how to pull a trailer, and co-riders
    D: oh, ok. Thjose are the most common seminars. Sometimes, for a while we had a guy from the national office. Phoenix, that’s the.. we have paid people there. To come and give seminars.. But it was largely on this.. he would give a breakfast, on a morning, Friday morning, we would go to breakfast with Pete. Maybe it was Saturday morning, maybe, but he’s well known he writes columns for the national magazine, and he’s very funny, and he shows slides and does all sorts of things, all these topics, basically. There’s also we have had a seminar on self development. [laugh] by our district trainer, we had the term “trainer” there, and she talks about social relationships and things like this. Throughout this is a big emphasis on safety. Just a real emphasis on the whole organization. And the reason for this is that motorcycling is fairly dangerous. Humph! So, we also on Friday, would probably have, we probably have a CPR course. That’s course in, in.. resuscitation, and first aid, and you can take that.. it’s a certified course, you can learn to give mouth to mouth, it’s all that stuff, but also held on Friday. We also have a.. an advanced writing writer training course experience actually, ERC Experienced Rider Course. I don’t think I got it right before… anyway that’s a, that’ a old course. It starts four hours into the classroom, four hours outside to learn to do stuff. And it’s very good course. I’ve taken it once, and I should do it every year, actually. (What kind of stuff do you do?) Well, the classroom stuff is about all sorts of things. About traction. When you corner a certain amount of traction in the tires, the ability to stick is used up because you’re leaning into the thing. So if you have to put your breaks on there, you’ve already used some of your tire traction. They’ll tell you that. Talk about cornering is a big thing in motorcycling. Have a corner is an actual root you train people then you talk about situations in which where you have to watch out for what cars are going to do. And then.. it’s been a long time since I took this course so I can’t tell you exactly, but.. you talk about the most common kinds of accidents that occur have arrived on freeways, and keep out of everybody’s ways, how to be seen, colorful clothing and stuff (oh, by cars) yeah! No I mean It’;s a real problem. Cars don’t see.. they tend to see these big motorcycles better. I used to ride a small motorcycle. They, so it’s like riding a bycicle out here. People pull out right in front of you because they don’t perceive as a vehicle. So these are all problems that motorcyclists faces, and when we get into an accident we get hurt, more likely to get hurt badly. Talk about even the kinds of clothing to wear, and that’s important. The course itself is largely given to.. how to break, they’ll tell you about breaking suddenly. How to counter-steer. Which is the salvation for me of motorcycling. It’s so wonderful technique. After you turn the wheel in the opposite direction you wanna go, slightly. If you wanna go right, you actually turn slightly left. It drops your motorcycle right. Very hard to imagine, but once you learn how to do it, typically what you do is to lean, using your body, and it’s much harder to gage how far to do that, and there’s a delay, once you learn to counter-steer, you can pop that bike, all of the racing guys know how to do this, and nobody else did, 15, 20 years ago it became common knowledge. I started practicing and then.. how to avoid, how to avoid stuff on the road, oh, that’s another stuff they talk about a lot, it’s road conditions, motorcycle. You hit gravel, you know what gravel is, little stones, (no) you know, just.. dirt, on the road that’s bad for traction, if you go lean way over going over the corner shaft it’s really easy to pull out and so you talk about that rail on the road, what’s called “edge traps”, “edge traps” are where two pavements meet and there’s one higher than the other, maybe, or there’s a construction project and they’ve ground down one lane, and the other lane is higher, catch your motorcycle really easy, and flip your wheel out. Take your sometimes you just get knocked down. Or railroad tracks, like the light rail railroad tracks, it’s very hard, if you’re going right next to them, you can get thrown. Those are called edge traps and you really have to worry about that. How to ride across a bridge, with grading. You know can actually see the metal, it’s made out of steel, sort of like a, you can see through it it’s like a screen that is heavy so you can see through it but it’s just, you’re riding, your tires are catching and we call it it’s a metal grading, and there aren’t too many of those but there are some. And it’s a shock when you get there. [laugh ]because your bike is going like this [trembling] all the time. However do all of those things Or what you do in a year-seqeunce. What else do we do. We have a trailering course, how to tow a trailer outside, you actually go learrnin and so forth… uhm.. what else. There might be, if we had a dealer, as in a vendor, motorcycle dealer comes over and brings bikes. There might be demo rides – demonstration rides – and they’ll bring over the newest Honda Goldwings 1800’s and they can let you ride em and take you somewhere – usually take you in groups – they wanna sell you, so they do that. That’s something you can do on Friday and Saturday both. What else could you do?
    Y: so that’s all things you have learned in ERC?
    D: No, ER.. “Demo” rides are just things I do at the rally. Demos and trailer.. ERCs doesn’t do trailer.
    Y: so that’s what we do, after crossing bridges?
    D: yeah they might tell you about that, the trailering is a separate course, to learn more about how.. how to tow the trailer with a motorcycle (it’s one of the seminars?) well, yeah.. ah,, I would call it a course, not a seminar. Seminars are inside, in classroom setting where in a motel, you set up chairs. The courses are outside, you ride, part of it at least like the ERC. Some of it is outside, and some of it is inside, but some of it is outside. You ride with.. cones.. to see how tight you can do that. Okay what else would you do on Friday. You may participate on on-bike the on-bike competition.and they have the competition is constructed.. there are several things you do. You come up, they have to be wearing your protective clothing, which means, long-sleeves arm, usually a jacket and a helmet, yours boots covering your ankles, and that has to be very thick so you don’t get hurt. There are several things that go on on an on-bike competition. One is, the slow race. Or the slow ride, it’s the same thing. And they, they lay out a tape cord, it’s about 16 inches wide. And I can’t remember how long it is. It’s about probably 35 feet long, and the idea is to ride your motorcycle up to this and ride as slowly as you can without going outside the lines. And see how long it can take. The best, the best times were running around 18 or 20 seconds. It’s very hard to do, because you got to barely move and you got this huge motorcycle and all would fall over. And that’s one part of the on-bike competition. Then you have a slalom. S-l-a-l-o-m I don’t know how you would spell slalom. It’s the same as in skiing. There you set cones out, and while you set them out in a line, and the idea would be riders to ride as fast as you can, weaving back and forth between the cones, and come out of the other end, without hitting them and without missing them, that is without being able to go around without one. So it’s a speed, that’s hard, that’s one of the hard ones. Another is, I don’t really know how they are called.
    Y: Is that how you call it? Weaving back and forth (weaving) yes, but is that how you talk about it with the other riders? Members?
    D: Yeah, you, you do in fact that’s also a common term in the motor-era period.. motorcyclist even race car drivers when they are trying to break their tires in “weave” [makes dialectical motion a la thesis-antithesis with both hands and makes a “shooo” sound with mouth] comes out of the notion of weaving a thread. Back and forth as you weave cloth. Anyway, you weave in the slalom back and forth until you get out on the other side, and you try to do it as fast as you can. The slower you do it, the easier it is, but it’s hard. There’s also often a, a, I just don’t remember what they call it. The idea is to ride as tightly circled as you can. Ride around in a circle, and so you’ll just have to describe that. I don’t have a term for.. and they, they said, post other things on the outside. So you know where to go. And there are levels, they’ll start fairly wide, and then they keep moving it in, and moving it in, and I can’t remember how tight you can get, 12 feet riding around in a circle.. it’s very hard to do. You know, you’ve got to do it slowly, you can’t fall over [laugh], it’s happened, so that’s one. Then, there are there’s usually… [sigh] what do you call it… two or three other ones after the one I described. Oh that’s the other one. This is the “one up” bike games. One/up games. One person is on the motorcycle. There is two/up games, meaning [gist: there are two people on there]. There’s a number of ways to do this, but the way we have been doing it recently is, you go, you have these traffic cones, that equip tennis balls on top of these things, often like 6 or 7 of them, and your passenger will ride by, and the passenger tries to pick the balls off the cones, as he goes by and puts them on the bucket on his lap. Then you turn around, and your passenger tries to put them all back on, it’s quite hard to do! (wow) we had a guy and his kids, kids riding passenger, and they did it great! he’s a good rider so he goes slow enough. he does times as well. There’s time, and the number of balls you can get in there. Another, another thing we did this time was to slow a bean bag, do you know what that is? It’s a.. cloth bag with beans, you know, into a bunch of buckets, plastic buckets set up and the idea was, the passenger, as you go by, tries to throw the bean-bag into the bucket and I think there has to be six feet away or something like that. So, they did that, and I can’t remember what else they did, actually. I’ve pictures of all this stuff. Don’t ya? I saw one once, where, the passenger has a.. a waterfield balloon. [storng laugh] and you go under a string, that’s on top of you, two posts up there, and you ride your motorcycle under it. The passenger thwos the water balloon over the top and then catches it on the other sides, without breaking it. If it breaks, of course, everybody gets wet. Uh.. I haven’t seen that one recently, but I saw it years ago. So! this is sort of the idea, and that’s the tour on bike games. in another words, one out of two,and stop. There are off-bike games. [laugh] usually inside. and I don’t watch those too much. they usually have to do with throwing a little bean bag in.. there will be a target up there with you, know, it’s a gord that tries to hit stuff, but I don’t know, anyway, little kid.. anybody.. can do that. and you get awards and prizes for that. so that’s something you can do on friday. There.. in the afternoon, a lot of people do this all day. They don’t do the on-bike games all day, but they just schedule for a certain time. I can’t rememebr if there was anything major scheduled.. there were seminars on the afternoon friday, less usual. I think a lot of people go riding on friday afternoon (uhuh) they’ll take one of these rides, to do that, uhm a lot of time, that this is going on, people are… there are three staff members that are selling 50/50 tickets they are called. And what it is is a kind of raffle, you know that word, where you buy tickets. And then, you know, there are two strings and you split them, and you divide and put them in a.. in a bucket or something. And they’re all mixed up and there will be a drawing at the end of the day, they’ll pull a ticket out and announce a number and in 50/50 what they do, is to divide half of the money you paid for the tickets and give half in prizes, and give half to the association. So they’re always hanging around and selling these damn things. I usually, I never win. I only won once after 20 years of this. [laugh] I won a third level, I must have gotten $40 that’s probably crossed $200 or $300 over the years.
    Y: but. who…? I mean you should assign like 1% of the.. [laugh] (what’s that?) I thought you usually assign only like 1% of the..
    D: it’s called 50/50 because they split it 50/50 (right, right…) and there are other things, always things going on, these fundraising acitvities, is what they are, ways to raise moiney, and I think there’s a formal term for that, that’s just one of the way, another way is that people bring prizes in and there are other raffles going on. There’s a desk, where the vendors are, usually, there’s a rider education booth. It’s called the booth cuz it’s like the display booth. They have a number of prizes in there, and you can buy raffle tickes to get those. there’ll be a table, so there’s a rider education raffles. So there’s some really nice things sometimes. They get dealers to donate tires.. it’s good stuff. Somebody makes a quilt every year, people make really nice stuff.. 5, 4, 5 years ago somebody…made a hand-cart motorcycle rocking horse. You know what a rocking horse is? It”s like, you know what a rocking chair is? (no…) it rocks back and forth. it has, like this, you know, you can rock back and forth, you made a motorcycle, rocking horse, he made a motorcycle and raffled that off. You know, it was art, sort of. And that was in the.. in the educator booth. Then there’s the table, people bring in, baskets. They are called the raffle off- they put all sorts of stuff called “goodies” in there and goodies can be.. any set of prizes like, you know, most chapters put one of those together, to raffle off, and people can buy tickets and raffle. All to raise money, and there’s a fee to go to one of these, you register.. to go to this district rally and meet and when you get there.. you have to register, I have $30 dollars. So they make money off that, and then… I haven’t told you this before, but you gotta, oh maybe? I did get a colored-band on your head so they know, there are areas that are off-limits to the public during one of these things, so, one of the jobs people have fill is that they have to be door-guards. They sit and make sure you got, everyone has an arm-band. They are called wrist-bands, I think we do call them wrist-bands. on.
    Y: what’s, what’s your plate, the horrible plate that you got..
    D: oh, that was a door prize. (oh that was a doorprize) yes. door prizes are also donated by, thjat’s something you get just for registering. they give you a ticket. when you check in in the registrar, you get a little hanger, and a pin and it would get your door prize ticket. so you can put it in a bucket, and you have the number of your door prize numbers in there..
    [another professor comes in]
    Y: umm.. so you said that there is the.. there is the 50/50 ticket raffles, the basket raffles to raffle off, in which there are goodies, and other kinds of prizes where people raffle off things to do fundraising (yeah, uhmm) are all those a specific kind of activity?
    D: well, uhh we actually switched here.. to ways to raise money. and they are activity.. I wouldn’t call it an activity but something you can do is to buy raffle tickets, okay? that’s something you can do.
    Y: so are these some specific kind of to raise money or are they just random ways to raise money? So, uh, I’ll stay 50/50 tickets, the raffling baskets, and the.. (goodies, yes) and the wristband door prizes,.. are these (no, wristband door prizes, well, they really aren’t a way to raise money) but are these two, 50/50 tickets and baskets (baskets) a specific way of raising money?
    D: they are each different. (they are each different) yeah. so, so is the education booth raffle. those are all different.
    Y: are there other ways to raise money?
    D: umm.. let me think..[silence] I don’t think so. no. oh, no! a poker runs are a way to raise money. they are also a thing you do, but poker runs are a way to raise money.
    Y: yeah.. I was wondering.. for the officers if it was different from the 50/50 and the baskets raffling were different from the pocker runs?
    D: for officers? (yeah, for officers) no. in fact, officers are often expected to buy more tickets than what other people do [laugh] it’s too bad. I’m kind of … not a great gambler. But I do expected to spend $20-$30 on these things every time I go. (I see) Another thing you do durin g the day, if you want to go back there, is.. uh.. go to lunch, and you usually do that with people if you can find them. I tend to hang out, they are on friday…afternoon, there is a COY reception. Just for invited people. Not for everybody. I go to that for photographing. There are chapter COYs and so chapter directors and so forth all show up to that. And they have a cake. And something to drink. And they, it’s a way of recognizing them. And let’s see.. what else would go on.. mostly people, people stand around a lot and talk to each other. And they look at each others’ motorcycles a lot. Oh! One thing you during the day often is polish your motorcycle. Wash it, and polish it. Everybody is very, they just love to polish their motorcycles. And uh… the.. usually the motel that is hosting is usually set up a washing area with hose, and donate some cloths, and things and buckets so that you can wash your motorcycle. And so everybody is.. is.. in there. A lot of people do.. I usually spend some time polishing my motorcycle. We love our motorcycles in here. Beautiful ones. You might also, friday, take your motorcycle in to the vendor area, to have it “pin-striped” or to have it “mural-painted” or something like that. And you know, people spend a lot of time, part of the reason to go to a rally is to buy things. There really is a trade show going on there that vendors, selling you things. And I almost on everything from clothing, and there will be people there will lightning, jackets, all sorts of things, and it’s as easy to buy that stuff there, a lot of people come from parts of the state where there aren’t any dealers. and it’s all.. they may spend two or three hours wandering around, talking to vendors, one vendor usually there’s one or two of them with “camping trailers” you know, that you can make into tents. They are called campers. So if you are thinking about that, you can look at those. There are.. there are maybe some vendors who are selling jewelry and things like that they sell pretty good. There’s usually cleaning, special cleaning materials. There are vendors that, we have talked about this before, that sell accesories and accents. And you know, one of the running jokes as you go, everyone starts thining about the acceseories that they could put on their motorcycles. The absolute top of this is together at the national rally where there’s usually 70 or 80 vendors. Just with every possible thing there. But sometimes there will be a dealer with stuff on the area to put new ties on your bike, or install accesories, they are taking your bike apart, and that’s almost going on on one of these things. So, one of the things they do is just take your bike and be “accesorized” to have stuff put on it. Uhh.. people.. and sort of wander around there, by about 4:30, you start supper rides, or dinner rides. They’re called either, usually dinner rides by cyclub. Now, they’ll leave at different times, one leaving at 4:30, and one leaving at 5:00, one leaving at 5:30. What they do is take a ride, and end up at an restaurant somewhere out around, where it is. They may ride per 75-80 miles. So it’s a guided tour, actually. And then eat and come back. On friday night, you have the.. talent show, and you also have the best dressed chapter competition. The best dressed couple competition. And any other competitions, I cannot think of anything.. there usually are several “acts” in the talent show, I happened to be one of them, come out of my banjo, and make them all sing. Done that twice now. And, er, there used to be a competition, I actually won first place in the talent show there, was very good, people really enjoy that. We had a big turnout, and a lot of it is very funny, and chapters think really crazy things to do. It’s a good thing. Actually people, I always go to the bar to drink. [laugh] about that time. So that’s friday. And saturday is, many of the same things go on saturday. The special things like off-bike games and on-bike games. Sometimes they’ll mix this up, but I was thinking was the last event.. (the tri-state jamboree?) At the tri-state jamboreee. And saturday they always have the bike show, and the bike judging. Which means that people enter their motorcycles and they are beauty contests, basically, but we don’t call them that. And there are anumber of different categories in which you bike in. “Stock” meaning, you haven’t nmodified your bike in a significant way, there’s a “open class” which means you can do anything you want to your motorcycle, it’s painted and it’s got extra lights everywhere. (That’s what the bikers call it “open class”?) Yeah, “open” well.. let’s think. Yeah, I think it is. Sometimes there is a middle class where you can have some, I have never figured out their rules on this. I have my side car, on my side car once, but there’s only one or two, they are second place, but they are side cars. I should have entered my bike, I was doing an Iowa rally years ago, they had a stock class, and nobody entered it. I put one in, in that one. Because my bike is pretty plain, it doesn’t look very neat. Uhh.. but a lot of people watched, liked to look at the bikes then. And they wandered around. There was also a mascot competition at the same time. Mascots are stuffed animals [laugh] Do you know what a stuffed animal is, you know, little bears and some things like that. Someone liked them quite a bit. Something like 14 years ago, Golden Riders started putting stuffed animals in their motorcycles. By 8 years ago, virtually everyone – not everybody but at least 80% of them – had stuffed animals in them and they came to be known as mascots. And they were usually attached to the trunk rack, or something they would sit back there, and they would dress them up in little vests, and they put gallons onand everything. [laugh] Okay, so. Because of that, they started a competition for the best mascot. Well, mascots are fading. There aren’t very many of them any more, but they are still having the competition. And I expect a few to go away. We used to have these rallies in state fair.. county fairgrounds. Now a lot of people can’t have them. They come in with their campers in camp, rather than being in a motel. Well, when that was the case, they had competitions on who was the best little camp camper, sort of. So they are always competing. At the same time, you have to be careful about competitions because it hurts peoples’ feeling when they lose! Anyway, those probably aren’t quite as popular altogether. All these competitions don’t seem to be popular as they used to be. Oh! ONe more thing on friday. Friday night, you have the light parade. And the light parade means that everyone wants to put a bike in this thing, that has a lot of lights in there, and a lot of people have a lot of lights in their motorcycles. Bars, it’s part of the accesories that you put on your bike. And so, once it gets dark they either ride around for the motel this year, they got to ride downtown. And 60 motorcycles during this light parade. And some guys really don’t have them. Flashing, they have all sorts of things set up. I saw a light parade guy who had a trailer with a generator on it to all those lights [big laugh] And that was as often we don’t have a competition anymore, but there used to be a best.. the best one. One year the couple sold, there were little light bulbs, they sold them all over, their riding suit. And so they outlined themselves in little lights and they had a separate battery running their seats. But it was quite a sight. I have that on video somewhere. So! Okay, we got the light parade over, on saturday we got the bike show, which sort of goes partly in the morning and partly into the afternoon. At about 5:00 we have the grand parade on saturday.. oh! once in a time we had a “free hot dog feed” and uh, so, some members volunteered to cook hot do

    gs and uh, we got hot dogs, and put them in the trips, and it’s a bad meal, of course. And that’s what you get there, and everybody lines up and they get hot dogs, and something to drink, slo forth. So at 5:00 we have the grand parade. And there you try to get with a motorcycle on it. The police show up, and you take a tour, through whatever town it is – 3 or four miles – and everybody runs slowly and they hop their horns at people and hold off traffic [giggle] the National – this format is very like the national rally too, where you have as many as 6,000 motorcycles. But lot of the same thing goes on there as wel.
    Y: You said that at the chap.. no.. chap.. chapter? No, region. At the regional rally.. it was the regional rally, right? (no) it was about five min..
    D: this is the district, the tri-state rally is actually the district ofthe state. Three states. but really two of them have hardly any members. South, North Dakota. North Dakota has two chapters and South Dakota has one. That’s why they put us together with these kids. They’re too small to have their own district rallies. So we call it the tri-state rally but it’s basically a Minnesota District Rally. The Region, used to have a rally then they cut it out, then this year they had a rally again.. in Illinois. It’s hard to get people to rallies – there are so many rallies now, it’s sort of people to get to do them all. So, I’ve been to a couple of regional rallies in the old days, but I haven’t been recently. The region is Illinois, it has the Dakotas and us, and Wisconsin, Missouri.. you know, I can’t even remember the states but we’re even now.
    Y: And we’re region E
    D: Region E, yes. We’re “America’s Heartland” as wel.
    Y: How many regions are there?
    D: You know, that’s a good question. Probably we get about 9 or 10. Umm.. I can go look and count them for you.
    Y: Within the region E.. how many districts are there?
    D: The districts are the state. So it’s the number of states are the number of regions
    Y: Oh, there’s a special case for the state of Minnesota.
    D: No, they talk about.. the Dakotas are in their own districts.. but they aren’t really organized. But they are called districts.
    Y: And then.. how many chapters are there. So which district are we in?
    D: We are in the Minnesota District. Used to be called the “state”. Why do they call it a district now, I don’t know. I got mad at them. Because state seemed so reasonable.. how many chapters there are depends on how many you can get. We have twelve. And one of them is defunct, but we still count it, I think it’s still true.
    Y: Wihch are you in?
    D: I’m in Chapter G. (Chapter G) The northwest metro, we’re calling ourselves.
    Y: So the chapters are alphabetical.
    D: Well, yeah, they are, but it’s.. Chapter G was the first chapter in Minnesota. Why do they call it G, I don’t know. We just added a chapter “B” up north, we don’t have a chapter “A”. (Oh, I see) I can name the chapters. Just cuz I … (could you? name the chapters?) yeah! sure. There’s chapter B, chapter C, I, G, K, N, O, ther’es chapter.. a.. R, S, V. How many is that? [30 secs of tape cut] but.. anyuway let’s look at that list. You wrote them down there? OK… there IS chapter F – but it’s defunct. G.. F.. I…K.. oh it’s chapter L. That’s what I’m missing. What there’s a chapter F and we’re counting it.
    Y: Can I interview you on Friday?
    D: let’s see.. any possibility that you may interview me afternoon?
    Y: Monday? Oh, afternoon?
    D: I have this book deadline and when I come here it breaks my morning up. I’ve got to give a lecture at 1:10pm. Then at 2:10. Do you have a class then?
    Y: No, I don’t.
    D: Ok, let’s do it at two…
    Y: two ten on Friday?
    D: yeah, sure. That way we can put it together.

  • Interview 1: October 12

    October 17
    Ethnographic Interviewing
    Yongho Kim

    Interview 1
    Motorcylists
    October 12, 9:00-10:00 am
    Typed Oct 17

    D: Yes. [laugh]
    Y: Uh.. professor Guneratne told me that I could interview you about the microculture of motorcylclists. Is that…?
    D: yes. There’s two things you can interview about. (uhuh) that, or.. I also work as a musician. So it could be either one. If you prefer motorcylces, that’s fine. It’s.. but.. what we’resuggesting is.. where is the microphone. Oh ok. I’ve worked in an organization called “Development road riders” GWRRA. And I have since 1983 so, I’m a [irrecog] member. And uh, we could interview me about that.. so if you wanna…
    Y: Can I interview about the motorcycles? [I guess Dustin really wanted me interview him on motorcycles.. haha] (uhuh, sure) so… are you still a member of the [irrecog]
    D: I am.. I edit their weekly newspaper. So, type set in, and eveyrthing. Yes.
    Y: HOw often do you work or are you involved with the…
    D: Well, not.. I’m involved all the time with editing the paper. I work too often, sometimes, how often, I’mnot sure.. I go to the national, I go to the state, we have a rally for what’s called the district which is the state, plus two other states.. north and south dakota, that’s called the tri-state “jamboree” [laugh] that’s what it’s called. So, I’ve got that every year and that’s usually somewhere in the state. I sometimes go to things called fundraisers, where you ride there and often you take a ride with people there. We just did one three weeks ago. [next time ask him about the fundraiser] where we rode all over Western Wisconsin, basically, I did 170 miles with the group that day. Uh.. I mostly there are chapers of this organization, it’s a national organization. So, overall 85,000 members in it. Every state is called a district and it’s all organized and then inside the state are chapters. So there are chapters, regular chapter meetings, called to get together. Every, every month. And I’ve only been a [ircg:031] all my life. I just can’t get away. It’s my grandchild, grandson. But, for that.. then during the riding season there are ride every week. That are organized.. uhm.. and let’s see.. ride night is tuesday. And there are a few rides on thursdsay, and now.. right now they’re doing “leaf runs” [laugh] where they are meeting on saturday, to go. Usually up north this time of the year, touring areas. [ircg:036]
    Y: So, so, I am getting from you that your activities are.. writing for the newsletter? and..
    D: yeah, I edit the newsletter and.. it’s uh.. it’s a sixteen page newsletter so it’s farily [ircg] job. So I get emails from submissions, and ads, and all sorts of things all the time. But that’s kind of another.. scene. (Y laughs) I need to know about that, what people do, but doesn’t involve directly involve writing. (uhum) The.. anything else..
    Y: And then you go to fundraisers..
    D: uh! yeah.. I go to fundraisers.. I could go to evening rides.. uh.. and I have a few of those. I’ve got to do more of that next summer. My wife doesn’t ride much, though. So I sort of hafta leave her with her grandchild now she gets stuck [ircg] I could do that.
    Y: Uh.. is there a place where all these things happen?
    D: Yeah. Uh.. it’s not as neat as you know, as you had a club house or something like that. We have a, what’s called a “ride point” which is where you go to meet and ride. And it’s up in the corner of 694 and uhm… I think, I think it’s state road five. With the… mobile station area. It’s a gas station. Uhm… then.. they get together. As they mostly say. A place called “pippins” a sharp nice.. where is that? It’s in river I think. And they get to hold their own meeting and.. stuff. (uhuh) And then.. that would be that.. sometimes people just get together and go for a ride. GThere are a lot of rallies this summer that people tend to like to gogo, I think. There’s a national rally, it’s done in Texas this year and it’s gonna be.. in [Winona?] next year. So people ride together. So you have these group rides where people ride in a group And.. it’s a lot of people.. this whole thing is based in an organization based on motorcycle [ircg: 068] Honda, Goldman. And and they sell motorcycles [chuckles. Y laugh] And you know, it’s made for touring and it’s actually made for carrying two people.. uhhh.. easily. So it’s very powerful and it’s large and lots of levage [?] space and stuff like that. So, touring [now he sounds excited] is really a kind of key activity for people and they like to get out and.. go distances, a lot of them take trailers behind these bikes.. and.. uh.. you know, I have ridden to every state in the United States, 48, I haven’t gone to Alaska.. except Florida. I’ve got to get to FLorida before I get too old. I got to 100 miles from Florida once but I ain’t take the side cut there to get in. So, we have actually.. we have vets sometimes out, sort of silly, but people are standers, I guess but you are vesting in those organizations have a back patch, and a nasa, and for every, everything that you have attended, just about. So if you go to a rally and it’s called a hanga, and the hanga goes on a.. a pin that says “tri-state jamboree”, it has the year on it. So you get it. If we keep going on I’ll show you the rest. It’s actually a… it’s good because it shows a lot about what’s important to people. And uh.. the number of years, you have a membership pin, and you have a new bar for each year you have been there. And uh, on your vest. And you know, any rally which you think will have ten [ircg:91] some people, I have so many pins I can’t put them in my vest, I put them in the drawer. cuz I’ve been doing it for so long. [definitely ask him about what he has been doing and his pins. this reminds me of Malinowski’s description of the Kula and its comparison to trophies as social institutions] that’s what we do..
    Y: So I was asking you all these questions to.. to get.. the idea of whether it would be “right” to ask you what would be a regular day be like? Would that apply?
    D: no, no.. it wouldn’t because there isn’t a regular day, but, so, the thing that maybe think.. is what we sometimes call activities. Each chapters has activities sort of activities that the whole organization does.. and so, like, I don’t know. I’ve gone to rallies I go to activities, funraiser is a good activity, a mall show is too. Mall show is a good activity [laugh] and yeah, these things have a spot for eveyrthing. So
    Y: Is.. “riding”… are “leaf runs” a kind of activity?
    D: A “leaf run” is a kind of actrivty, Yes. I’ve never been to one so [laugh] I can’t talk about it. It’s like most “runs”, as we say (uhu) ah..
    Y: Is that how other people in the motorcycling.. in the association, association call it? Activities?
    D: Yeah, they talk about activities. And uh.. in the newspaper they have a column for the chapter activites, so. Yeah.
    Y: Would you consider editing the newsletter an activity?
    D: No. That’s a.. what is that? Yeah, we have a volunteers running the.. organization, basically. Nobody gets paid much. And uh.. I’ve held the position of “district editor” [laugh] that’s great. Now, actually something that people do together, basically, but, you know we have a “District director” it’s not an activity, it’s a position.. what would we call them…
    Y: would “going to rides” be an activity?
    D: Uh, right, yeah! “goin on a ride” (going ON a ride), yeah, that’s an activity
    Y: what about “touring”
    D: uhm, only if ti’s organized. That is.. everybody tours, but ah.. if if you are going to, you and six other couples are going to touring together, I suppose.. now it really has to have a name for it. Somebody has to say, “okay we are doing this”. For example, orange chapter decided to have a “friendship run” so, it got people, and they start on friday and get back sunday. and what they are doiung is riding a different part of the state, staying at places. So a group of couples, a lot of couples involved – men and women who are couples. Got together to do this run, it picks some people up. They get to the north, in the state, I can’t remember what town.. but they pick up some people from there, a chapter, and they rode across the west, and they stayed, there, and they came back. Uh, that’s, but that’s a kind of a ride.. so just the act, the act, I mean “I tour”, but sort of people don’t belong to this club at all. So it’s really gotta be something that’s organized.
    Y: So you are saying that the friendship ride is a kind of a ride? “friendship run”? (laugh)
    D: yeah I can’t rememebr if this is a run or a ride. Cuz I think they have made up a term for it. And I can’t rememebr what it was. and I can’t go to things like that. Cuz I work as a musician on sunday mornings, so I can’t go there.. but uh..
    Y: Are there other kinds of rides?
    D: Well, just there are “weekly rides” (uhu) okay, that’s that would be the term for chapter, chapter rides, or.. almost alternative term. Chapter rides, and… uh… let’s see. Then there.. the term “run” and “ride” is an interesting quesiton. I’ve never been able to sort this out. But there are “leaf runs” and “chapter rides” and these are kinds of activities, okay. An maybe other kinds of rides besides.. besides “leaf runs” Well, it was just that,… you know that wasn’t a chapter deal… cuz it’s something called the “club run” (club run) but that’s not a GW activity. It’s a state activity. They’ve got 20,000 motorcyclists down here, I swear I have never seen so many motorcycles down here [do motorcyclists care about the number of people showing up at rallies???] uh they go down the mississppi river, twice a year. Well it all started [gesture] [laugh] started in 1965 where there was a big flood in the Mississippi and the motorcycles went down there to Winona to help sandbags, and somehow it got going to a yearly ride, and it’s called the flood ride and nobody organizes it. Somebody announces when it’s gonna be, and nobody knows who announces it, and everybody shows up. And you get thousands of motorcycles (laugh) you know, every town along the way has thousand.. the fire household And it’s auxiliary and those of us who are volunteering get hot dogs and sell your stuff. Beer, unfortunately. These kids are clocked and going at 205 miles an hour, which she wasn’t… it can’t. but that’s what the police said, from the helicopter. It was on the flood run and we were way down south, but they “claim” it was going at 205. It’s not a Honda, it will not go at 130 (laugh) it just can’t be true! Made a mistake. Anyhow! Back to the GWs does these things. What else do they do? They have christmass parties, I’ve never been to a christmass party either so I don’t know. And I told you most things I told you most things..
    Y: so, so the events you go most to are the mall show, fundraisers, and rallies, and there are rides, of which there are chapter rides and friendship runs?
    D: Yup, those are all.. all.. part of that too.
    Y: Uhm.. could you tell me about the last time you went to.. a rally? (uhm?) or to a fundraiser?
    D: Let’s do a rally. Since I was going to the state rally, which is now a tri-state rally, you gotta know when it is. It’s.. right now it’s all scheduled for the end of the last week in July.. maybe the first day to.. starts out on Thursday, on a Thursday and ends in a Sunday. So you’ve got that. And we just used to go to.. we used to camp out. We used to do some big beer.. fairgrounds of various towns, now pretty much we stay in motels so there’s host motel, and you need to book. Since I’m on the “state staff”, you know, since I’m in the district everywhere. I stay in the main place just so that I can see eveyrbody. And I know another activity.. we have an ops meeting. Operations meeting. We call them ops meeting – it’s coming in novemeber. Twice a year. Anyway, Okay, back to the rally. So you make plans, you book at noon, that is, if it’s pretty full, 500, or 560 people go on to these tri-states, so.. and uh, so, I was gone Thursday evening if I can, I’ll just pack up my stuff, in my motorcycle and my wife has been to only two of these, so I tend to go by myself. Now I take my banjo with me, because they have a talent show, and they need me playing that (laugh) So high pot! Put that under the bag on the motorcycle. (uhuh) Anyway, ride to wherever it is. Last year it was up in Fargo, this year it’s actually in Moorehead. This year, this year, is in MArshall, Minnesota. So ah… I have to Marshall, and pack there, and usually you see, if you go there pretty early, a few people are coming, that’s all.. I just check in, put my stuff in, and you go for.. people I know. Sort of “scope out” the place. Yeah well that’s my term. I just look for people I know, and see who’s around. And usually there’s an area where he has vendors, people selling stuff, so you need to find out where that is. Once a year is to register. That’s probably the first formal thing you do, to register, and there’s a registration table. And before you go… I pre-register. So I can register, you can send-in your money, and you don’t have to pay later and those things, that’s it.. $35 bucks this year, it’s not too bad. And you pick up your “registration packet” you get that from the table, and you probably by this, since I have been to a lot of them, I know most of the people, who are in the tables so I say hello and ask how they have been. There’s some people from North Dakota and they are very very stay involved.. but then we have one or two chapters, actually two chapters, and I have noticed that there’s not much to them, but anyway. They are there.. and then I usually take that up to my room just to see what’s the schedule in there.
    Y: Do you take the regsitration packet to your room?
    D: yeah and I get.. we get our ten year from our “bar” and I have to put one on. and just to check it. And we have.. door prize ticket. Just a.. bucket. And you should get your wristband. And there’s a number in your wristband that’s stamped on it, and that’s the number of your door prize ticket. And you have to carry a ticket or not. So you put your door prize ticket in this hand. And you got your wrist band and they clip it on. So that you are “legal” for the entire time. You are legal for the whole.. and we go up to the [ircg:214] now, just to sort things out, they decided to be next, and usually I come down for people. Because it’s that time of the day.. it’s two (?) unless there’s some [ircg:216] some things that need to be done, like they’re setting up a equivalent of vendors are.. these are some they all sell some other things there.. chapter tables now, which is kind of display a chapter activities, some of these help with that, and you .. I’ll rememebr chapter G so chapter G got a table. I help set it up though, they got it under control, I used to help set up the door prize table. and people, they beg people to donate stuff. to give away, this is a regular track for people to derive, I think, I don’t know. Anyway, so you draw tickets out of the pocket and take them on their prizes. So people come by and they look at your van, and they look for numbers and the [ircg:226] and various things. I had a plate, I think. It’s a horrible plate (laugh) it’s got.. nerves.. somebody donated that.. so I got that. uh.,. I always check in to the chapter, that the district ditrector, to see what’s going on. I have some of the particulars I know that, have escaped that because I deal with them all the time. So, hopefully. [ircg:232] and uh.. then if it’s near… very often on thursday, we go ahead on dinner rides.. that’s right, dinner rides.. we organize a dinner ride. we say at 4:30pm, we are gonna meet outside, and we are gonna have a ride to the restaurant, outside. so that will get out there at 4:30 and willt take a half an hour ride and we’ll go to the restaurant.. and we eat. and I made it four or three of those. Four.. four 4:30, 5-5:30, something like that. So we get different times deciding when to go. I haven’t been to one this year but I have been to those.. any circle. You ride together, you have a lot of rules for riding together now. And uh… the.. they ride in what’s called a “staggered formation” where, the ride.. two of them, normally two of them. But one guy rides ahead, so if you have the right track, you stay back here, as far as the outside track is.. on the street. You could be right next to each other. but you could cross, so you “Stagged” and this guy is here and this guy is here. so you have you are supposed to be one second behind the guy on your left and two seconds behind the guy in front of you. and normally, normally allow for about six to eight people to ride together. Then we meet a gap, and then we send out another group. And this group has a.. a need bike, and we have CDs and radios, most of us, so you are then.. there is a tail, this is called a bike. Let’s say you hit the red light. The idea is to get the whole group when it turns green, so that you don’t leave anybody behind. The guy in the front warns you of things lying on the road, watch it’s grab a lot, corner, I got a lot of this in the radio, it’s all this coming on. And people who don’t have a radio.. we have hand signals, to point out stuff, and everything they meet a guy.. filters in their motorcycles. you can dine out in the [ircg:256-260] whoever it makes sense. So we have headsets and helmets and you just have your CD label on. And people listen to it. That’s what they are talking about. And it’s kind of nice, I don’t have to worry about where I am going. I just can go to see them. (laugh) as we go by, and we stop and we have, stopped at a restaurant, and people they usually call ahead because you don’t want sixty people to pour in it. They kind of want to sit and rest together. And meet people, a lot of times we don’t meet people. And then when we’re done, usually the group goes back together. If people know where they are, some couples may go off and ride some more, it’s summertime. they like to meet. (laugh) and so it’s just fun to ride. And so when you return, you return back to the rally side, I usually after that, I kind of look for people who go to the bar and have a few drinks, frankly. Usually I can find somebody, sometimes two or four people and they just sit in there and drink, and see what’s going on. Since I’m also an anthropologist if I turn to ask them questions to see what’s going on, what peoples’ problems are, it’s really interesting to hear what problems chapter directors have. I asked them about that, I’ve never been to one, so I don’t know about the culture of being a chapter. Some of them have told me. And you know, normally I just go to bed. Then on Friday morning (Yongho laughs) whenever I have … but you have a list of that. So on the schedule, it would be like, vendors are open 9 to 5. Uh… then we have things called.. what are they.. seminars. We have seminars on safety, seminars on how to.. how to.. tell a trailer, seminars for co-riders. That’s who are riding behind the rider.
    Y: could you, give me just a brief description of the activities during the day? so that I can have a general idea.
    D: oh, ok, yeah. Alright. Sure. An activity during the day would be going out and seeing what the vendors have to say. So, an activity during the day, now I’m not sure if we call these activities. But things you do during the day, um… you might buy 50/50 tickets (uhuh) that’s kind of a raffle thing, you might buy raffle tickets at the education base, district educator. that has to do with safety, it’s a huge program on.. memebers take advanced driving courses, they take CPR courses, lots of stuff on safety. Anyway, we have a big gropu. So they get people down to raffle off them, and they are trying to raise money. a lot of money-raising going on here, because they don’t have a regular income at all – it all just has to be raised. But anyway! So you might buy stuff on raffles, you might just scan around and talk to people, you might go to a ride, rides are ordinarily self-guided tours. They call them tours at that point. It’s a ride, if it goes off, if somebody leads it. But when we call it a tour at that point.. you gotta piece paper with directions on where to go, and do this by yourself, or with others. Umm.. what else goes on. A lot of people stay around and talk and see each other. it’s sort of like going to a.. media national might [ircg:316], the american anthropological association, that’s you see the same people. You do it last year then you know them all. One thing people do is to look at bikes’ parts out there. They look at each others’ bikes a lot. What they look for.. on.. tons of accesories people have, and modifications and make them some different. What other things we have, are off-bike games. (Y laughs) that’s something we do. (as opposed to on-bike games? [laugh]) yes, there are on-bike games and off-bike games.
    Y: going back to the accessories, I also wanted to talk about.. so you mentioned the sapi radio, and head sets, and helmets, that you usually use when you go to rides, are they a kind of something..
    D: Well, they are not accesories. Accesories are things that go on the bike. You see, the radio itself is not an accesory. There’s a huge list of accesories. I could name them all. Their own kind of.. there are accesories and there are accents. And that’s two different things. I have.. one kind of an accesory is an after-market seat. That’s a seat that, motorcycles problems with a seat, you can buy a seat, for the motorcycle, it’s supposed to be more comfortable in that seat. So I have one. Wrestle all day long. You can get.. I have something called a.. ah.. “duck foot” it’s a company that made the thing, it’s a slightly enlarged.. looks like a duck foot, thing, that is attached to the side-stands, and leave them on, and this just attached to the bottom, so it won’ t sink, or into mud, or into.. the black tap, and hot weather.. when it’s parked. The sides down there try slowly dig in until they fall over, and so that’s an accesory. There are lots of aftermarket windshields. I have one. They are made by five, six companies that make a thousand accesories. There’s something called “boogie lights” that’s accesories. There are mostly neon-lights or albertie whites. There’s a “ring of fire” for your front wheel, those.. (laugh) they are little cone things that you put on the sides and your bike gets that descent.. it’s because of the things that one of the activities after the rally, there’s a light show. where eveyrone gets out there after dark and they have a parade – it’s a light parade, light show. And you turn on all the lights. and it’s great, except people have a couple hundred. and a guy used to carry a generator on the trailer.. (laugh) so anyway! back to accesories. What other accesories. do we have.. we can have a truck separator. Just a little plastic that you insert in little pockets and it will remain static-free. The motorcycle has a top box with trunk on top, for side bags, ok. On each side of your wheel that’s all “built-in” I’ll show you a picture sometime. Uhm, and so we can have a trunk separator. We can have a trunk rack, that sets, you have to buy it. And you have it on top of your trunk and the bike comes out.. and you can put bungie coords on top of it and stuff.
    Y: what accesories do you have on your…?
    D: well, I was thinking that way. I have a trunk rack, I’ve got an after market seat, I have.. what else do I have. I have after market hand grips. I have.. ah.. back foot, I have decorations in this . oh! I have the year(?) that measures amps, voltage and the temperature – the outdoor temperature that I’ve installed in this bike. (So what..?) it’s a gage. It’s a gage made for motorcycles and has a couple of buttons on it, and depending on what button your press, because the voltage that your generator is putting out, or the amperage it’s putting out, or the temperature, the outdoor temperature, it’s got a narrow thin sensor in the front. Most of the time I ‘ll ride with the temperature, cuz it’s fun to see how it goes up and down. But sometimes I have the amperage because these bikes have been known to either have their electrical systems overrun, or have problems with the generators so.. so I have that on hear. Do I have anything else? That the CD, I don’t think so. Well accents are these little just little con-sided basks that are sort of tacked on to areas where the extra chrome, and make a.. frnakly I don’t think.. but there are a lot of needs for those things.. but I’m not sure I can give them to you all, oh! I know what else I have. I have multiplex mirrors. They are illegal. There are times when.. you’ve got to know where the traffic is. On both sides. And these things, not only sort of, you know, your right hand corner, things look closer than they seem in the mirror and that’s because it’s slightly curved to show more space up here, but [ircg:414] but they also bent a little right on the outside edges. So if a car is right abou there, I can still see it on my mirror. So that’s how people save $90 whatever that is. and now states, don’t like them because people think traffic is too far away. but I know about it. And I don’t wanna give this motorcycle up, because it’s got that feature I really love it. So you can also have.. I don’t have a name for it.. it’s a pop vent. (pop vent?) pop vent.
    Y: so all those things are accesories?
    D: Those are all accesories?
    Y: do you have any accents?
    D: no, I don’t have any accents. I refuse to get any accents. (oh, what, what..) I was.. OH! I know something I’ve got. I have.. I have.. what do they call it? You get an extra pair of foot pegs or fllor boards that sit in front of you right there. your regular foot pads. So you can put things heat up in there. I have to think about what the terms are called. I have a term for that. I have three years ago, so it’s stretched out, and hardly ever used them. But they are good. Those are accesories.
    Y: Is there.. any unusual, unusual accesories? (what is that?) could you talk about maybe an unusual accesory you have seen when you were looking at other peoples’ accesories? (what do I look for?) no, unusual, like, is there any accesory that’s not seen very often in other peopless (oh! unusual) yeah.
    D: ok, I mean, you might.. yeah.. one accesory is a toe. what would you call them. a hitch! a trailer hitch. on the back of the motorcycle to tow trailers. (with a motorcycles?) yes! (Y: laugh) you tow trailers with your motorcycle. Lots of people take trailers. They are not huge trailers, although some are pretty big. These motorcycles are.. on the early Gold Wings, four cilinders, flat four configuration, mine is a 6 cilinder motorcycle, pulls about 82 horse power, the current one, is a 1.8 liter, six ciliender, it’s very powerful and the motor is very powerful too. so they are also very heavy. they’ve got trailers all day. they are big machines. so let’s see. Somtimes people will quit, although a platform, on the trailer hitch, and put a cooler on there, with beer [laugh]that’s not a good thing to do (to save space?) no you don’t wanna, you don’t want too much weight behind your back wheel. And I don’t do things like that. but you can get a cooler, I’m not suure, they probably have names for that cooler. they can go out there, right.. extra lights.. there are lots and lots of ways to put extra lights. Oh and guards.. there are fender guards.. they have pipe things that sort of protect people from hitting things. and there are.. [ircg:474] little bags you can buy.. very often they’ll have white valers in them. So extra lights , you know. And.. uh.. in a scuff plates, they go on the front, of you are your isolant when your lights not there, and the here [ircg:479] they don’t scratch them, they are.. cones, they scratch.. oh! yeah there is an important accesory I forgot, are “wind wings” wind wings attach to the sides of your motorcycle, and you can angle them out, to blow wind, or you can angle them this way to blow wind on you. and I would say 2/3 of the guys have wind wings. there’s some majors for these things. But there’s also “flip wings” I just bought one. Umm… for… honda.. 1500, which is what I own, and they go underneath the cilinders and they direct.. you know how those [ircg:494] get rode up behind your headlight office motorcycle. Those don’t give it. So, those are accesories. And I have both of them.
    Y: could you.. could you give me examples of accents? what are those things?
    D: I would have to look, I think. Umm… to see what they are all called. Since I have never owned one, each company has its own names for these things, so it’s harder to rememebr them. But the way to look for them is to look at ads, and there’s tons of them there. There’s just dozens of ways.. the phrases part of these machines that you can put on extra chrome on.. and.. long time ago they discovered they could chromium-plate-plastic (uhuh) so, it used to be too heavy to put on, with metal stuff on there. But they were able to .. put an electro-plate-plastic film on it I just found that out. So these are quite light, with little chrome (I see) but, they’re decorations. a lot of people go with pin-stripes, by you go to a rally, one of the things you do in a rally, kind of got off a rally, there’s usually a pin-striper or maybe an artist there, paintaing a mural on your bike, you know, airbrush them, or paint gun, on your motorcycle. airbrushinng is most popular, the mostr famous that got around here is a guy whose company name is “chicken-scratching” he comes every thursday around noon, and he’s pin-striped down the side of your tank or something, he will also do your names on the back of your travel trunk? another accesory you can get is a little map of the united states and you put little jewels on the states that you’ve been. (laugh) that’s one. but a lot of times people put their names, on, you know, jerome, and susan, on their motorcycles, a lot of them areon the backs of their helms, too. so your pin-striper would do that. if you go to a rally this year, you can get your bike “detailed” which mans absolutely get clean. for $100 a cost. and they sit there, polishing every knuckle and cranny in your motorcycle. stuff over, [ircg:536] now that”s if you are your windshiled patched, with designs, slogans, [ircg] get your tires changed (laugh) not often at the district rally, but the national rally get anything you want to [ircg:542] for your national rally.
    Y: can we talk about the people who come to the national rally.. to the organization? like kinds of people..
    D: well, it’s… GW people and it’s the GWRRA, GW for short there. And it’s just [clear throat] usually, let’s see if you’ve got a 5,000 bikes you’re gonna 10,000 people which is one out of every 8 members of the national association. so, from all parts of the country, more from close, fewer from far away, usually, there’re international campers too. chapters not only in canada, but also in most european countries, china, japan has one, although korea doesn’t have one.. maybe one or twoo.. you have to import your bike from here to get there. I haven’t seen forgot those.. list of countries every year.. it’s in the natioonal magazine.
    Y: when you say that there’s a chapter director.. (the chapter director, right?) chapter educator (chapter educator) and the newspaper editor, or
    D: there may be a chapter editor, but there may be not. usually there (the district editor) I was a district editor. same thing there. there’s a district director, and an assistant district director. chapters are supposed to have an assistant chapter director too. so you’ve got a director and an assistant director and educator. educators keep a lot of records and stuff. then, chapters have ride captains, or “road captains” (rogue?) road. road captains I can’t rememebr another.. there may be affiliation, maybe state, but! you know, they lead rides um.. they may have they sometimes make up office to keep people involved (Y laugh) like they have a chapter photographer.. chapter before email.. or usually before the website, or webmaster. chapter webmaster. chapter webmaster. and a district webmaster, forgot. at the district level, what else have we got.. district director, assistant district director, a distirct editor.. we’re supposed to have an assistant district editor.. we don’t. we have area editors, we have advertising coordinator, and we have a membership coordinator who keeps members on memebrship.
    Y: you said that the chapter and the districts are levels, are there other kinds of levels..?
    D: this [ircg:600] this would be an chicken and an egg here, probably should go like until 10am
    Y: are there other kinds of levels? or, are they levels?
    D: levels? yeah. I mean.. what we call them.. there’s chapters, chapters are organized into districts. districts are organized into regions, within regions, “E”, the exciting region. (uhuh) and.. (and what about the areas?) what about an area.. you have “regions”, “districts”, “regions” and the “nationals”.
    Y: districts regions, and chapters?
    D: it starts from the top, the national organization, which has some paid members at the top, and it’s called “the national” by everybody, I’ve met some of those guys, kind of interesting. then the we, the comprehended world, is divided into regions. so there’s a region director, there’s a region educator, and so forth. oh! we have trainers too, there’s a district trainer. chapters usually don’t have trainers. but we have a district trainer, we have a national trainer, and there’s also couples of the year at every level. they are called COYs, C.O.Y. couples of the year. so chapters often have a couple of the year, so chapters often have a chapter of the year. they choose a couple to be a couple of the year. they compete for district couple of the year, who compete for regional couple of the year, who compete for national couple of the year. so there’s a national.. I just met the national couple of the year. district..
    Y: so there’s regions..a nd within the regions are the nationals.. (nationals are the largest, regiones are second) and then it’s the districts (then there’s the districts which is really the state) and then the chapters (and then the chapters) and then the chapters. (there’s nothing below or above that.) what about the people who are not.. so you dsaid that director.. and asst director and educator are officers? (they are called district officers) district officers? (yeah, district or chapter offices. officers) officers. well what about the people who aren’t officers. are there names for them? (for who?) people who aren’t officers (they’re just members) members. (uhuh) but you said that there were couples too. (yeah. couples are not officers. they are couples.) [laugh] ok. are couples kinds of members.
    D: well… [puzzled expression] (Y: laugh) that’s a good question. yeah! I mean… yeah, if you took, it’s one of those odd taxonomies, where the general term is “the membership” the membership is divided into offciers, and to couples and into members again. but at the lower level you use the term “memebrs” but you repeat the term ,which you shouldn’t. but it works, ok? uh… and then by “road captains” aren’t officers (the district captains? oh the road cpatains) yeah. they’re not officers. they just positions in the chapter. and I don’t know how to suggest that.. oh there’s treasurers. (treasurers)- see? once you get into one of these lists, you start thinking about these. so there’s chapter treasurers, district treasurer, I think the region has a treasurer, I’m not sure. and I assume there’s a national treasurer. but.. manage the money.
    Y: well, I think it’s time.. and I’ll try to get more stories from you next time
    D: yeah.. you could.. we haven’t finished it yet..
    Y: you haven’t finished the rally yet?
    D: no, we haven’t finished the rally yet!
    Y: oh the rally! [laugh]
    D: there’s a lot of stuff going on the rally!
    Y: we got stuck in the friday morning
    D: we got the grand parade, and the banquet (the banquet) in there..
    Y: and then there’s the fundraiser and the mall show..
    D: uhuh, a lot of those things.
    Y: I’ll ask you abotu those things next time. thanks for your time.

  • Tape label descriptions

    03/29/04 Forum on Hispanic Studies, Latin American Studies and Latino Studies

    • Forum on HS LAS LS – transcribed

    Spring 2004 – Ethnographic Interviewing with Diana Shandy

    • “Ethnographic Interviewing #2” (both sides) – transcribed and on file
    • “Interview 3” 03/04/04 – transcribed and on file
    • “Intervie 5” 03/15/04 – transcribed and on file
    • “Interview 6” 03/17/04 – transcribed and on file
    • side B of “Forum on HS LAS LS” – interview #7 (date?) – untranscribed

    Spring-Summer 2004 QuetzalCoatlicue Research

    • Octavio Ruiz – 03/19/04 – transcribed and on file
    • QE2.SL1 – 03/21/04 – partially transcribed and on file
    • QE3.OR2 – 04/21/04. – transcribed and on file
    • side B of “Ethnographic Interviewing – nous 6938” Interviewed Susie on religious symbols in Mexico – unstranscribed

    Fall 2004 – Ethnographic Interviewing with Arjun Guneratne

    • DW JB – 09/21/04 – Jessie Buendia on Diversity Weekend – transcribed and on file
    • EI.FS – 09/27/04 – transcribed and on file
  • Field notes 09/27

    Store had a plastic door (I think they changed it this week?) on the entrance. entered the design area and waited for Sarah to finish, which took about 30 extra minutes. it seemed like she was did not have control over time and work schedule, unless she was doing the work because it needed to get done before leaving the design area. there was a manager-looking person who seemed slightly disturbed that a stranger was there staring at things.

    standing from Sarah’s bench – there is a washing tub to the left, with old sponge and jabon. I think the sponge doesn’t get used very often, it’s dry. informant used the tub while I was there, though. there are vases on exhibition at shelves to the right of the tub. then there is a door to a small room. to the right of the door is the exit to the clerk, or sales area. there is another bench to the right of the exit. on top of the bench, there is a long flat shelf that has many vases of different shapes and sizes. I thin kthey had size number stickers on them. the shelf extends over the corner to portion of the right wall.

    in Sarah’s bench, there are several arrangements with tags hanging on one of their flower tallos. tags have a person’s name, and a code. the code is one letter and one number, I think. these arrangements are all on top of the bench, separated from the “inner” ones which are behind a small thin wall to sarah’s side. to sarah’s side is a phone and a computer (that’s why I thought she was a manager). she occassionally takes phone calls. most of the time she is running to different places, on a short term basis (like going to the next room) to the left, to the left of the tub is a doorless exit to a cubed office space.

  • Interview 1 – September 27

    Interview 1
    September 27 (Monday), 2004

    Site visit 1:00-1:30pm, Interview 1:30-2:15pm

    Interview was done during Sarah’s lunch hour break in a nearby restaurant. While waiting for her to get off her work, I took a look around the design room and took mental notes which I later write about.

    Y: Can you, can you tell me about, how.. umm today’s Monday. How your day went, today, from the moment you came into the store, until now?
    S: It’s been extremely busy.
    Y: and like, what you did, from like when you entered the store, check in the cards… and open the doors, and check the orders..
    S: I’m not usually the first person who gets there, usually. (aha) so, when I first get there, I usually I am… open the doors, you know, basically go through the [irrecog:008] opening procedures and the girls are in the front remote opening procedures. Uhm.. I ah.. I ah… let’s see what I do.. (like today, what did you do?) open the back door, [very cut voice] unset the alarm, put the cat down, put down all my stuff, run over to turn the lights on, let the cat out of the cannel (?) uhm.. fed the cat, then… [long silence] check my messages on the machine, and.. in the machine, there was.. there is an order that’s been tending for about a month and a half, that was there, so I called the customer back, talked to that customer, she came in, I took that order, talked to them, it was a funeral order, talked to them, did that, haven’t done the flowers yet but.. put the order on the computer, get everything organized for that. Make sure that I’ve got the flowers for it, order the flowers for the special, talk to the wholesaler.. about.. vases, we’re looking for new vases, got some prices, and stuff that we’re looking for, cloths from a couple different places, order flowers for this afternoon, special stuff that we didn’t have in the cooler, talk to the boss, talked about getting flowers for the next week, umm.. did about I think 10 arrangements so far, got the drivers, made sure they are out, got the [irrecog:023] pill stuff out, made sure that that was ready, and that’s what I’ve done so far.
    Y: [laugh] I see. Umm, do you..
    S: answer the phone a couple of times, took some orders.
    Y: when you mentioned things like “customers” or “wholesalers” (oh yeah?) is that how you call the people among your co-workers? Tell other people “we’ve got a customer..” for example
    S: Umm, no. when we call for wholesalers, there are specific wholesalers that we order with, we order from Dudek, we order from Lanborchur, Palm, various places that we need special. So this morning, I needed… 10 gardenias. And in order to get the 10 gardenias I had to call 3 different wholesalers to find them. So… we refer to the wholesalers by name. By the specific salespeople [hmm, is “salespeople” the folk term?] you know, like I call.. I don’t know if you heard me before when I said “Jake, your pant in my ass”. (no, I didn’t.. [laugh]) but we develop relationships with different cells…so when we refer to those people.. between ourselves, we call them by their first names. We call, I’ll get them from Paul, I’ll get’em from Jake, I’ll get it from John Bush, I’ll get it from… you know, call…. Alex type situations. And, because we know who they work for, we know who we’re talking about. So it’s.. um.. that’s how we refer to them.
    Y: I’m trying to get into more how you call them, because how you call things from your workplace, so like among your co-workers, do you have a name.. like a general name, when you refer to the wholesalers in general?
    S: that’s what I was just telling you.
    Y: I mean, like..
    S: we don’t to them as wholesalers in general. We refer to specific wholesalers. [here is where informant starts getting angry]We don’t… (Oh you never talk about…) we NEVER talk about wholesalers. We talk about ordering from Glenn, we talk about ordering from Jake, I’ll see if I can get it from Jake, I’ll see if I can get it from Glen, I’ll see if I can get it from so and so. We never ever just say “I’m gonna look at the wholesalers”. If I’m talking to a CUSTOMER, uhm.. then you would have to contact the supplier. (uhuh) okay? (so for the customer, the wholesaler…) for the customer the wholesaler is the supplier. (uhuh) so for US, it’s specific to which one we’re looking at. Okay?
    Y: so wholesaler is just a term you are using to explain to me what they are, [oops] what they do (what they DO). Uhuh
    S: it’s an industry.
    Y: I see. I see…um
    S: When I say wholesale, it’s the industry that I’m talking about, I’m not talking about specific people. (uhuh) specific businesses…
    Y: what would you do throughout the afternoon? (WHAT?) what would you do throughout the rest of the afternoon?
    S: [sounds indignated] what would I do through the rest of the day? (yeah) what I was doing just this morning. Just more OF IT
    Y: uhuh. So you’ll be doing more arrangements?
    S: Well, I’ll do more arrangements, I’ll do more.. probably I’ve got to call Jake again this afternoon, it’s just more of what is was..
    Y: [inaudible question: 052]
    S: no, because if you wanna know, that’s all the time you’re gonna get. (Y laughs) but, umm.. I’ll do more arrangements, yes, but I’ll also be doing more.. I’ve got place to sit in the order, an order for baskets, an order for all kinds of stuff this afternoon, so…
    Y: I’ll, I’ll pray.. (huh) if you don’t mind I’ll pray before eating..
    Y: so.. what you will be doing this afternoon is not that different from what you did this morning? (uh-uh) are there things that you cannot do in the afternoon?
    S: uh…. [awkward look] no (….no?) what I’ll do this afternoon, is get everything ready for tomorrow, so that the drivers get it ready so that they can take it when they go in the morning.
    Y: umm…. [looking at my notes] Umm… so you said that you did ten arrangements today. Are there, (so far) are there different kinds of arrangements (well?) well, what kinds are there?
    S: I need more specific of a question.
    Y: hmmm… so like, are there…. [laugh] umm.. like if I have… if I had a dishware (a WHAT?) a dishware, dishware? A dishware. If you had a container? [oops, now I realize my informant thought I was talking about her containers, not about dishware in general – I make mistakes like these because I don’t know English!] right. If I had a container, there would be different kinds of containers. There would be.. bowls, and dishes, and… I don’t know them in English.. and so forth.
    S: [cutting] you don’t know our industry, obviously.
    Y: ahah, yeah, I don’t know [stare at informant waiting for comments]
    S: we typically work on… our arrangements by occasions. (uhuh) we do… [long silence] funeral work. We do…. Uhmm… base arrangement suitable for a birthday. We do arrangements.. suitable for a new baby. We do… sympathy for the homes, uhm… for the hospital stuff, you know? We basically break down the types of arrangements we do by… the occasion.
    Y: Ahah. Is that how you about it with your co-workers.. by occasions? (uhuh?) so, so… [laugh] so.. they are asking also about which one should be this arrangement be, and someone is asking you… what arrangements.. which occasions you do. (It’s on the order) Uhuh. It’s on the order. (It SHOULD be on the order) Uhuh. You said also how you talk about them.. with the customers? As for the sympathy for the.. what was it sympathy for the…. For the wellnesses?
    S: [long silence] when a customer places an order (uhuh), the person find out is, where, who is it going to, and where is it going. Is it going to homes or to businesses? Going to a hospital, is it for a funeral? What’s the occasion? Why are you placing this order in the first place? [very marked words] In KNOWING why they placed the order, we get a much better FEEL for what kind of thing they’re looking for. Okay? For example this morning I had people come in, the mother had died. (uhuh) so based on that.. and knowing that it was going to the church, I had a much better idea of kind of thing they were looking for to start with. (uhuh) so, uhm, so yeah, you know, we’re talking about a base arrangement, we’re talking about a… traditional sympathy arrangement. We’re talking about.. [long silence] the terminology is different when you’re talking with customers, than when you’re talking with co-workers. [I think “co-worker” bothers my informant. I will use “designer” next time.]
    Y: As you go, could you mostly talk of the terms that you would use with co-workers? Like, if you can, if you could explain also like, oh, these are terms that I use with co-workers, or clients but I would like to first know how you call them with co-workers.
    S: Well it’s hard because when I talk about what I do, I can’t talk with YOU as I would.. the same with a COWORKER because you don’t know what I’m talking about.
    Y: Right. But could you… could you talk assuming that.. I will understand everything? That’s part of the.. umm.. of the method in trying to… umm.. in trying to understand the meanings of the words that you use, from the context in which you are using them, and not only.. not only the specific meaning that they might have. So.. that wholesalers will be.. our suppliers and so forth.
    S: But we don’t CALL them wholesalers.
    Y: Right, right. But, for example.. a [irrecog:109] sympathy.
    S: So, I’m born to… if I’m talking to, a wholesalers, as I’m talking to my co-workers, I’m gonna tell them that I’m gonna call him JAKE. (uhuh) And get those from Jake. (uhuh) So, and I could tell you that I’m giving them to Paul and you wouldn’t have a clue of what I was talking about! (Uhuh.) So, that’s part of the problem that you are gonna have with those.
    Y: Oh, that’s precisely what we are to do on the research (alright, ..) but, not knowing.. not fully understanding what you are telling us in the first time. Umm… eh… is, is your schedule different from day to day? (uhuh) uh… are there specific things that you do on specific dates? (no) how does it change?
    S: How does the schedule change? (yeah, how does the schedule change?) well, some weeks.. I typically work between two or five days and I never know which ones I’m gonna work. (uhuh) and it changes every week. And it changes every… we work four or five days, and the store is open six. (uhuh) so it has to be covered all six days (I see)
    Y: [long silence] umm.. so.. but do you know for example tomorrow’s schedule? Or do you know which days you work this week? (I DO) and when do you learn of them?
    S: I get them once a month
    Y: Oh… once a month. Are there different kinds of… are there different.. do you have names for places within this store? Within the… I don’t actually even know what it is, do you call it flower shop?
    S: the store (the store. Are there different places within the store?) uhuh.
    Y: Which.. which places? For example, the place where you were… the people refer to it with a specific name? (the design room) the design room. [long silence] (I work in the design room) uhuh. And, is, um, so when you were there, I saw you had a phone, a computer, a desk.. (uhuh) it’s not a desk.. it would be like a counter, and then, across that, I saw another lady working there in that corner… is that also probably the design room?
    S: The entire room back there is the design room.
    Y: Ah, I see.. what gets done in the design room? Or what do you do in the design room.
    S: [dry[ DESIGN.
    Y: uhuh. Are there different steps in designing?
    S: Designing is a creative process. (uhuh) based on what your order says and based on what the… occasion is, it’s a creative process. (uhuh) [long silence]
    Y: is… is there any… so what, what.. what gets done in the store. Or what does the store do, in general?
    S: what doe sthe store do? (uhuh) we are a flower shop. We sell flowers (uhuh) [I think my informant is reacting cold and cynical because of the “steps in desgining”]
    Y: but you also.. design… design the arrangements
    S: that’s sellin’ flowers honey!
    Y: uhuh. And also you said that trees are grown, in the back, in the house?
    S: we don’t grow anything there. We sell it. (uhuh) we are a retail flower shop. That’s what we do.
    Y: But that’s kind of different from what I thought that what it would be, because.. I was thinking that it was just a retail shop. But in retail shops you don’t… you don’t do the arrangements. Or you don’t create things in retail shops.. I thought..
    S: This is the vase. Again, you don’t understand my industry. (uhuh) in a retail shop, in this industry, yes, you create things. (in the.. flower shops) uhuh. (uhuh) in the retail flower industry, you create things. (uhuh) you don’t necessarily have to create them yourselves, you could BUY them, already created (uhuh) then you have to offer it as cash and carry, you can’t as a full-service flower shop (uhuh). A full-service flower shop means that they can’t come in and get anything that they WANT, basically. A cash-and-carry, a bucket shop, would be you come in, you pick up what they’ve got, and go bye-bye. (uhuh)
    Y: and this store is not like that..
    S: We’re not a bucket shop.
    Y: oh.. what kind of shop is this.. this store?
    S: [marked words] WE ARE A FULL-SERVICE RETAIL FLOWER SHOP.
    Y: full-service shop.. [awkward laugh] I’m just concerned. Am I making my questions too.. too bothersome?
    S: Uhm,… no. But you don’t a CLUE of what my industry is, (uhuh) okay?
    Y: Would you like to explain what the industry is?
    S: You don’t know my industry at all.
    Y: Yeah.. I don’t know at all.
    S: Right. So with not knowing…. the industry, the questions that you are asking, are….
    Y: are.. are misguided.
    S: yes. I was looking for a different term. But “misguided” works.
    Y: what kind of questions should I ask?
    S: Well, I’m not 100%.. because when I was trying to explain to you, what it is that we do and how we do it, you said you wanted me to talk to you as if I was talking to a co-worker. And I can’t do that because you don’t understand my industry. That being the case, you don’t know the questions to ask to allow me to talk to you like a co-workers. (uhuh) Does that make SENSE? [how to avoid this situation next time?]
    Y: yeah.. could you.. like explain in general about what the industry is.. but… (no!) but..
    S: No. I can’t.
    Y: oh. Oh.. why…
    S: [long silence]
    Y: Is it that there is no starting point to start from?
    S: Let me see your assignment again.
    [Informant reads the syllabus again, and pages through the end]
    Y: oh but.. the assignment is the entire purpose of the course
    S: I know.
    [continues reading]
    [217]
    S: Ok. I have to ask you a question. (uhuh) why did you choose the flowershop as your microcosm?
    Y: it’s mostly because it’s close to Macalester. And um… yeah, that was pretty much it. [laugh] I mostly do work with the latino community, (uhuh) so I wanted to do that, but the professor told me that it was too complicated, that there were too many factors involved, that I should try to set out to study a more.. how should I say it.. a more defined (uhuh) demarked culture, cuz.. yeah.. last semester I went to a charity, as I was telling you, and there were issues with language, and it was very interesting because the director of the charter, whom I was interviewing, she was trying to learn Spanish, and she had different strategies for coping with people who came and didn’t speak English, but when to talk to, but my professor said “no, that’s not the purpose of what you’re doing”, and.. yeah.. so it’s closed, and I thought, “well, it’s a store, so it has to have a purpose”.
    S: It has a very clear purpose.
    Y: That’s why.. I picked. And actually I was going to try out all the other stores around this avenue, and check them out, but we had this blackout, during that afternoon, so stores closed.
    S: Well, [silence]
    Y: and we were encouraged to go to places.. hopefully we didn’t know much about, so that if we asked the really really basic questions, our informants wouldn’t ask us, “why are you asking that? you know that” which would happen if you had.. I work a lot with labor, so if I went to uh.. where was I going to go, [here I doubt a bit.. isn’t she a manager? Will she like knowing that I frequent the Dept of Labor Standards?] to an office that deals with those things. So if I went and asked about.. “what does these.. procedures, or what do these forms do?” they would be like, “you know, you’ve seen those all the time, why are you asking me?” so we would go to places we didn’t know about.
    S: were you encourage to go to places you didn’t know,

    [recording stops here because I felt this was not an interview]
    I think informant’s line continues like this:
    S: You didn’t know, or places you didn’t know anything about?
    Y: anything about..
    Etc… 10 min.

    [recording begins again, informant starts talking about arrangements]
    S: funk, unusual, they order all of that (funky or unusual?) funky, unusual, different.. out of the ordinary
    Y: could you give me an example of an funky or unusual arrangement?
    S: not verbally, but I can show you pictures.
    Y: (uhuh). Oh, but when you because… you..
    S: [starts talking very fast] it’s a creative process (uhuh) okay? (uhuh) if somebody comes in and they want something out of the ordinary or something unusual, it’s a creative process. You develop that in your HEAD. And that’s part of the uhm, that’s part of the talent of a professional flower designer. That’s why some people can put flowers in a container, and make it look very good, and other people can put flowers in a container that looks like crap. (uhuh) but it’s knowing how to put it together, it’s knowing how to do it, it’s knowing how to uhm.. how things are gonna look together, having an IDEA in your HEAD. [slowing down] It’s like creating a.. VISION in your HEAD, it’s kind of like.. umm.. it’s ART. (uhuh). It’s everyday, sellable art. [again quick] And the other thing is, is what I think is beautiful, is probably not what YOU think is beautiful (uhuh) what I think is funky, is not what YOU think is funky. But I think is funky, is something that other people in the store is funky. Because of my experience level, and umm.. my growth as a designer. I’ve been doing this.. on an off, for 30 years. With that being the case, I have a great deal of experience. I have worked some MASTERS. I have training from some top designers from the United States. I’m considered.. I’m regularly considered one of the top designers in the Twin Cities. And very good at what I do. With that being the case, what I think is beautiful, and what somebody else thinks that is beautiful is probably a lot different. People think babies rep is very pretty. I think it sucks. Because I’m babies.. fed up. [fed up? 270] For after 30 years of using, let’s do something creative.. let’s do something… that’s gonna look “knock your socks off”. It’s gonna look, and we get orders that say “make something that knocks your socks off”. Which means that you’re not gonna put carnations and daisies in a vase, you know?
    Y: But still.. eventually the arrangement will be put in some sort of vase. So it has… (sometimes a container) right, some kind of container, so there are parts in the final product, in the arrangement. There’s the container, there’s the kinds of flowers they are put..
    S: that’s not a process, it’s a Creative process. A Creative process is sticking it out. The mechanics of it is something different. The MECHANICS of it are the vase and flowers, that type of situation. The PROCESS is what goes on in your brain. There are… [sigh] I guess you can call them “steps”, you have to get the container full of flower in, fill a lot of water in, put it on the table, put it on a box, put a paper around it, and send it out to the driver.
    Y: uhuh… so could you talk about the mechanics of it [awkward laugh upon seeing informant’s expression] I know that, I know that, I understood that, the really important part is the creative part, and what goes inside your head, but I can’t really grasp that, I think I will never be able to grasp that, but I was wondering if I could learn about the mechanics of it, how it’s done, how it’s done materially.
    [informant grabs a spoon, and dumps it loudly into a glass cup. Then she pours water to it from the teapot. Teapot is dropped loudly on the table]
    S: You shove it in! That’s it!
    Y: Ahah. [awkward small laugh]
    S: that’s the mechanics of it!
    Y: Ahah.
    S: This is the flower! [shows spoon] Here is your container! [shows cup] Here is your water! Put the water in the container, put flowers in! Done! That’s the mechanics of it! There’s nothing more than that in the mechanics of it!
    Y: But there are different ways of…
    S: different ways of putting it in there? [put spoons in different positions] no, there’s not! It’s all the same way! It’s one, basic thing! It’s the CREATIVE PROCESS that makes each arrangement different, but it’s all the same process! It’s all the same mechanical process. It’s an art. [ms. Brings check] Can I get two separate check on that?
    Y: Yeah, could we?
    S: thanks. Umm… it’s an art. Okay? The mechanics of the process are ALWAYS the same. You get the container, you… put the water in it, you put the flowers in. That’s the mechanics of it. It is ALWAYS THE SAME. Where the flowers go, the type of flowers you do, that kind of situation.. is an art, it’s a creative process. Okay? (yeah) Did that make sense? (yeah, yeah, it did make sense) But there’s no… there’s ONLY ONE WAY of putting flowers in the vase [dumps spoon at cup again] I can put it in the same way. The mechanics of it doesn’t change. [I stare at the new post-it note] That’s how much it costs [she means, receipt] Is that right?
    Y: do you accept credit card? (yeah, he got the .34) Yeah, that’s right.
    S: Alright. So the mechanics never change (I see). Now, depending on what you choose for a container, and depending on what you choose for flowers, which is part of the creative process, WHERE do you put them, the length that you cut them, that type of situation differs. But the mechanics of it always stays the same. It’s the process, the creative process that makes the difference in, where things go, how they go, what goes in, what doesn’t. And some of that is based on what is written on the actual order that it gets to us. (uhuh) which comes from.. sometimes we take orders. But most of the time it comes from the office, for which they actually do the order taking. We have some people who work on commissions, based on their sales, to take their orders for us. But the room is that the backup to them, when they’re busy, we go take orders. We know how to do it. But we don’t do it very often. If there’s somebody SPECIFIC, like someone who came in for the funeral this morning, I talk to them, I put their orders in, because I talked to them and I’ll be doing the arrangements.
    Y: Uhh… do you have to leave now, or do you have some more minutes, like 5 minutes. (yeah, maybe like 5 minutes) could you talk about how there were these organized.. like outside of you, or around you, without peoples.. or how.. if there’s any work that is done along with other people, or you pass on some things, or you receive some things.. or so forth?
    S: The easiest way to do it is to draw a map. (ahah) okay. Here’s, this is basically the square’s basically the store. (uhuh) alright. So you’ve got the back door here, you’ve got the front door here. ‘kay? Uh, you walk into the backdoor, there’s the green house, back here is the garage… ‘kay? Back here is the executive offices (uhuh) alright. So you’ve got if there’s a big huge cooler here, alright? You can see everything. Here’s the sales…. area. Right here.. is the design area. There’s a front office, and this is the store part. Alright So a customer comes into the store, okay, can go into the cooler, do whatever [slightly despective tone] pick up whatever they want. Here’s your… umm… (the counter) the clerk. The counter. (uhuh) So when you come in the store you either can go in here [I think she indicated the clerk area] or you can look around the store. Go to the clerk corner, it goes through into an office, there is a prineter, goes to the printer. From the printer, it goes to the design room. From the design room, it goes.. there’s Na’s bench, there’s my bench, there’s jan’s bench, there’s jean’s bench and there’s marion’s bench. From here it’s dispersed to one of these three benches. This is Jan, this is Jean… this is Marion, this is me… this is Na. Okay? Alright. So from there, it goes in back into this garage, there’s cooler four. Alright? So you get the big cooler here with the flowers in, there’s a little cooler back here with flowers under it, but that doesn’t matter. So, it comes from here, and it comes through here. It gets dispersed to one of us. Okay? It can go to the store clerks. And take the order. Or it can go through the phones, and if it goes just through the phones, and they never come to the store, it goes to the office. No matter, it all goes to this desk back here [which one was it?] It’s the central desk. From this desk, it gets dispersed here, or COULD go back to the front store. (uhuh) Front Store takes care of the plants. They just pull them out of the inventory of the plants that are in the store. We do all the design work. There’s one, two, three, four, five of us, that’s the design staff. We’re the creative people. We do it, once it gets done with us, it either goes to this back drivers’ table, or goes into cooler four. (uhuh) okay? If it’s for today, it goes to the driver’s table. If it’s for the next day, or something in the future, it goes to cooler 4. We work three days ahead. We’re doing orders this afternoon for tomorrow and Wednesday morning. Okay? From the driver.. so it goes into cooler four. It will sit there overnight. From cooler 4, it will go back to the dirver’s table, they will wrap it, and go back to the garage, and it goes out the door for delivery. That’s the FLOW of traffic in the store (I see…)
    [lady takes payment from informant]
    Y: Did you.. like today’s interview? I, I.. had the impression that you got really offended in that I was describing your work in material terms, and.. yeah.
    S: Yeah! I am offended that you describe it in mechanical terms. Because it’s NOT MECHANICAL. (and I can be respectful, and..) it’s a… it’s a… it’s an artistic process.
    Y: Yes, just as academics, yeah… so
    S: Well, academics is not an artistic process, it’s a mental process. This is more of an artistic process, okay? (yeah, more of the spirit) there’s no research here, there’s no.. I mean, it’s like telling the painter, you know, there’s the difference between being a building painter, and being a portrait painter, and being a artist. Okay? We’re more of a portrait painter-artist type situation. Okay? We don’t paint buildings. That’s mechanical. We don’t DO that. (uhuh) this is a process by which everything we make, we put our heart and soul in it. When I do a funeral, when I do this $1,000 funeral this afternoon, I’m gonna put my heart and soul into that. And our comment is that if you wouldn’t send it to your mother, don’t send it. Now, if you’re gonna send it to your mother, there’s emotion involved here. Okay? This is, this.. may be different from a lot of retails in that WE PUT OUR EMOTIONS and our feelings into these things. And send it out the door. (uhuh) Okay? So it’s not… it’s a creative process, it’s an emotional process. And… [silence] you’re trying to explain it as a mechanical thing.. (it’s offensive) yes, it is offensive. (yeah.. yeah.. I got it. So…) I mean it’s like you go and shop and buy a present for your mother. If I told you that there is nothing more than a mechanical thing to do, would that be offensive to you?
    Y: oh of course.. [actually I don’t agree, but..] I was not trying to imply that there was only a mechanical part.. so… but you spend most of your time in the design process and the creative process.
    S: I will wake up in the middle of the night, you know, if I know I’ve got an order (uhuh) that… umm… if I know I’ve got an order that is unusual, or troublesome, or worrisome, it’s not uncommon for me to wake up in the middle of the night designing it in my head. Okay? It’s not uncommon for me to a lot of people come in and ask you.. what should I do?
    Y: Right.. [laugh] (you know) and.. and they don’t really understand what’s going on..
    S: they don’t understand, they don’t have a clue what they are looking for, they don’t know what they are looking for… I had a lady call me today, and she said, I was in last week, I didn’t have a clue what I was looking for. And she didn’t know she was talking to me. And she said, “I didn’t have a clue what it was that I was looking for” and the clerk, took her to the cooler, and showed her some stuff, and we talked about some stuff, and it was perfect, it was exactly what I wanted, and when I got there, it was exactly what I wanted. And how it was that it was exactly what I wanted, I don’t know. But it was perfect. Well, she talked to me, I did the arrangement, I sent it out the door, it was exactly what she wanted.. now..
    Y: Some people.. just come in.. want to grab something.. and leave [hmm, that’s me]
    S: Right! some people don’t care. Some people say, you know, whatever you do, it will be fine, because I trust you. And it’s part of it, it’s building a trust with your customers, and your clientele, and getting to know your clientele. (uhuh) Um, I had certain customers, that will specifically ask for me, because they know my work, they like my work, they trust me. I have other customers, that wanna pick on [informant marks syllables by hitting the table with something… I think it was the cup] e.very sin.gle flo.wer in the store [/mark] in the arrangement, and they will stand there and watch me do it. They trust me, but they stand there watching me doing it, because, they wanna know. (right..) so, it’s more of an emotional process. This industry is different than a retail. It’s not, it’s not… I think of it in a lot of times, when I’m teaching [at her other instructor job], what kind of industry my industry is. Are we… a value added industry? Are we a … retail industry? Are we a manufacturing industry? We’re all of that. So, it’s kind of a hybrid industry. Because we manufacture these things, but we don’t manufacture quantities of it. The harder you try to make natural things look the same, the worse, the more different they look. (uhuh)
    Y: so would you mind… if… I don’t know if you want to have a further interview, but would you mind if in the future interviews, we focus with what went around, outside the design room, and what happens in the store.. and what happens with the customers.. and this is something I find very interesting in the design process, and there are clients that appreciate the design process, but they trust you because they have a building relationship with the designer. But, but there are other customers, because these two types of customers, will both ask you to do what you find most appropriate.. or what you find.. most.. appropriate I guess. The customers who don’t understand it, and the ones that do, but they trust you because of the relationships. I was wondering if for future interviews we could focus with what went around, and outside the design room? Because, for this project, supposedly [I roll eyes] we are just starting how to do these interviews, I mean we can’t really get.. we can’t really do anything with something that’s, that happens within a person’s, within a person’s head. Within.. within a persons’ creative efforts that don’t have boundaries. Because we are just learning to do it. So we need something simple to start with. So.. I was wondering if you minded, if I asked you about.. so… what happens in the cooler,…
    S: What happens in the cooler? (yeah…) flowers sit (yeah… [laugh] that kind of thing) I don’t, I don’t care.
    Y: would you, would you mind having another interview, this week or next week?
    S: na, I can’t do it this week. This week I’m off for Tuesday.. and Thursday and Friday this week.
    Y: what about next week?
    [we agreed on that I would call her sometime next week]

    I think informant is using her creative process thing to cope with the amount of daily work, and reacts strongly to anything that may suggest it consists of material processes. I will try using more of her folks terms (creative process, design room, designers) next time to appease that aspect, and focus more on the things that occur outside the design room, for the time being.

  • Sample interview on Bon Appetit

    Yongho Kim
    Ethnographic Interviewing

    February 2, 2004
    Interviewed 3:45-4:20
    Transcribed 8:05-10:33
    In the first floor lounge of Wallace Hall, sitting in a group of sofas around a table in the middle of the room. Recorder on the table.

    Before starting the interview, I explained the informant that he could pick his pseudonym. He said he wasn’t really concerned about his privacy, and that it was OK to use his real name. I told him he could decide after we finished the interview. I also told him that any subject matter that might make him uncomfortable may be skipped or put off-the-record at his discretion. Then we ran the recorder.

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